Григорий Громов (abcdefgh) wrote,
Григорий Громов

Надежды на протрезвление американских евреев -

в большинстве своем по-прежнему слепо поддерживающих Обаму - периодически высказывают колумнистs консервативных порталов на Вебе.

К примеру, месяца два назад - August 10, 2009 - статья такого содержания обсуждалась на одном из из наиболее популярных из право-консервативной ориентации форумов. Ниже приводятся некоторые из выступлений участников того обсуждения:

    Sandra Location: TX.
    Reply # 8. Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 7:48 AM EST

    So typical of Obama. It is no surprise that Obama has taken this stand against Israel.

    The Jewish people have the God given right to own all of Israel and Obama has no right to tell them to give any of it away to anyone.

    Who does he think he is, some kind of world dictator?! He will not be blessed as president taking this stand against Israel.

    Our Holy Bible plainly states that God's blessings are upon a people who bless Israel and stand up for Israel's rights to be here!!

    Obama does not have a clue as to what he is really doing to himself and this country. One thing is for sure, there are still plenty of people in this country who love Israel and pray for their prosperity and peace, you can count on that!

    codgerelle Location: VA
    Reply # 10
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 8:24 AM EST
    Israel as scapegoat
    If Israel didn't exist, the Middle East despots would have to invent it. Hatred of Israel serves to distract the energetic hordes of uneducated, unemployed young men away from the tyrants who keep them that way.

    Scott Location: MN
    Reply # 14
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 9:06 AM EST
    [I am a ] Democratic Jews. We can but hope. However, my people always seem to support Dems no matter how antisemitic, and oppose Republicans no matter how philosemitic.

    Aeroplane Location: VT
    Reply # 16
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 9:26 AM EST
    So Confused.
    It's a shame that a group with so many brilliant people has such inconsistent opinions. American Jews really really really need to think this stuff through.

    I CAN'T figure out how these people can vote Democrat.

    Itsabigcountry Location: FL
    Reply # 19
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 9:40 AM EST
    Chickens coming home....
    It was obvious to a lot of us during the campaign that Nobama would be anti-Israel.

    I was suprised that the Jews themselves could not see that. I remember there was one rabbi somewhere down south who attempted to warn the faithful, but he didn't get any press. (Wonder why? NOT.) A man who bows to the king of Saudi Arabia is not pro-Jewish. Time for the Jews to wake up and vote their interests.

    Jason Location: SC
    Reply # 23
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:00 AM EST

    What are they going to do vote Republican? Like the blacks, he can mistreat them all that he wants and with no negative consequences. They'll vote for him and he doesn't need their money. With Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Clark Kent, and George Soros giving him 750,000,000 million fraud dollars over the internet what does he have to worry about?

    Now if he actually had to get money legitmately than this would be a huge deal. But since fraud is okay for Obama (great job McCain and Feingold bill) than he doesn't need any mindless liberal support. I am not sure if liberals have ever voted for someone before in their lives. It's always been a vote against Reagan, or against Bush, or against Bush, or against McCain because he was too much like Bush.

    Dan Location: NJ
    Reply # 24
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:09 AM EST
    Conservative Jews
    It is disturbing to me to that so many fellow Jews seem to vote against their own interest and to be blind to consequences of giving our Government so much power.

    If any group should seek individual freedom, it is the Jews, who are disproportionately punished by Obama for their success and are also hurt more by affirmative action than others.

    Jews have deep democratic roots that go back to the early part of the last century. Jews were outsiders and the Democratic party was where they fit in best. Imagine the allegiance FDR got from Jews by defeating Hitler? A few other factors have a role. Jews are disproportionately represented in the ultra liberal entertainment field. Also, the leadership of the growing 'Reform' movement promotes a progressive agenda with an emphasis on 'making the world a better place'

    Yet I know personally of a large and growing number of conservative Jews and believe over the next four years, there will be a substantial movement to the conservative side. I would like to hear from other conservative Jews on this issue.

    Tinsldr2 Location: GA
    Reply # 26
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:33 AM EST
    Politically insignificant
    Jes make up less then 2% of the population of the US and vote about 75% Democrat.

    Most Religiously Orthodox Jews vote conservative and Republican but their numbers are a minority of the total Jewish population.

    It is my opinion based on observations, that "Secular Jews" and "reformed Jews" the type that rarely go to services and don't show strong religious beliefs (A large part of American Jews) are more afraid of those with Strong Religious beliefs like Sarah Palin then they are with those who hate Isreal.

    I have no possible explanation for behavior like that because it totally defies all Logic.

    I asked several Jewish relatives during the campaign how they could vote for someone who had a long history of associating with people like Farrakahn and Muslim sympathizers against a VP who had an Isreali flag in her office, and was told that she was Christian Fundamentalist and they could never support her. Like I said it defies logic.

    Were they afraid of Forced Conversions ala Spanish Inquisition or Pograms again I don't know.

    Maybe it goes back to WASPs denying them access to country clubs etc when they wanted to assimilate. However the Very RELIGIOUS Jews, tend to vote Conservative because it is closer to their core beliefs.

    My other thought is, Jews feel a strong urge to give charity. It is a central tenant of the faith and is taught and stressed to jewish Children. WHen Jews rarely go to services they lose that outlet of giving their "tithe" or charity to the Temple so they somehow feel it is better to give to the Governemnt to help the poor. It is easier for them then getting their hands dirty with direct charity action. Just an opinion.


    svpallava Location: VA
    Reply # 28
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:53 AM EST
    Response to Grateful Dad
    The only vote that is relvant to bh0 is the one that got him elected as POTUS--as he is meaning to make himself a dictator through such measures as declaration of "emergency".

    For DE Thomas, it's not only American Jews who have been so deluded. There is also the example of the (erstwhile) Canadian riding of East Windsor, which has a "large" Jewish presence--and where vociferously anti-Jewish MP Paul Martin "Sr." (he backed eccentric PM "Billy Rex" blocking of Jewish refugees from Europe prior to and during WW2--if you can rent a copy of CBC's "Charlie Grant's War" which starred R.H. Thompson in lead role, please see it) managed to get the Jewish vote through his entire term (which ended in 1968 upon his demise).

    Diane Location: VA
    Reply # 29
    Date: Aug 10, 2009 - 11:09 AM EST
    I don't understand this, either...
    ...why the Jews continually vote democrat as if it's in their DNA. This fact equates to the sheep voting for wolves, time and time again.

    . . . . .

Как это все чаще случается с онлайновыми публикациями, комменты - их там было около 70 - по общему от них впечатлению заметно интереснее оказываются (своей разноголосицей мнений по предложенной к обсуждению теме), чем сама по себе статья, которая дискуссию инициировала.

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